Why, hello there. I am so happy to meet you!
Allow me to introduce myself. I am the new Worth1000. Is this your first time meeting the new me? We should get reacquainted then. So many things are different about me now. Come and learn more :).
If you look at it that way, then yes I agree. But if I were to look out my front door and see zombies and robots, I would think that's the coolest thing ever!! As long as they leave me alone and don't try to suck my brains out or something.
I am happy with 4 points-it just seems funny that to get 6 points you have to give out 2's and 3's where it may not be deservedly so. I'll keep voting as I see fit as I seem to be doing alright and I think I'm voting fairly
Good job Todd. The system is still so brand new and shiney that you can bet your bottom dollar those behnd the scenes will be keeping an eagle eye on things til all the wrinkles are ironed out. ;o) If anything odd is going on it will get picked up.
I beg to differ, I often see 3's and occasional 2's level of work in fx advanced. But that is just my perception. There is no testing of the new system for me, I have been voting the same pretty much since I started here this year. Some people might perceive my voting as harsh, but it is just how I "see" the work. I also vote plenty of 8's 9's and 10's, so nothing harsh about that. It could be how we each interpret the voting guidelines. We are all trying to use the same basis for our decisions, but we are inly human and will have differences in our perceptions. :D
I was saying people "shouldn't" be submitting 2 and 3's but you're right, unfortunately you do see some (I rated some that in a current contest). I think it's usually people that stumble in from FXB who may not be ready to move up- and why pay the 10 credits when you can get tough competition for 2 credits?(There have been some awesome FXB entries of late) I never understand this. I stayed in FXB until I had to move up and by that time I had a bank of credits and more experience before I got beat down by folks like you :D
I meant "beat down" by being beat in competition (think "Cheese")-not that you were low ball voting me. I realized my joke could be taken wrong.
The point of voting is not to gain maximum karma, but to vote each entry on it's own merits...period.
With that said, not all contests have the full spectrum of entries. Not every contest has entries that can be voted 1s, 2s, 9s or 10s. If you vote fairly according to the voting scale, your karma could range from 3-6 depending on the quality (or lack there of) in any given contest.
Not gaining the full 6 karma points in a contest may have nothing to do with you not voting "correctly", and more to do with the fact that there just aren't the full spectrum of entries in the contest.
Karma humpers, folks that don't vote on all the entries, and folks that vote low entries high and high entries low, will see...ummmm...lower karma.
A couple of things that have not been mentioned here and should be kept in mind:
A low deviation does not mean you are necessarily voting well (this was the problem with the old system).
Voting the whole range randomly (or allocating a certain percent to each score) IS NOT voting well.
When you compare your voting to someone else and see that you voted 3-8 and he voted 4 to 7 and he gained karma and you didn't, you are comparing apples to oranges.
Go back to the actual contest entries and compare your voting to the final rankings - did you vote the high end for those that scored well? If you are voting low for the top finishers and high for the lowest rank entries, there is a problem with your voting.
Looking at voting history does not give you the whole picture. Believe me when I said the new karma was tested and discussed at length by people who have a lot more information about voting than you do. That does not mean it is perfect or won't need a tweak or two, but you can not reach a conclusion about the adequacy by looking at the voting history screen alone.
If you are concerned about your voting or what is happening with your karma, PM a council member. We will not discuss other members' voting nor will we answer questions about why you got 3 points and Ziaphra got 4. But we can help you understand where you may be going astray with your voting.
And a gain of three does not mean you are voting poorly.
I hope I haven't been annoying you folks. I think that PixelDust said it best in that just because you don't get all all 6 points means that you're voting incorrectly-something it seems that I and maybe others have thought. I do compare my votes compared to final score and come pretty darn close. As I mentioned earlier, I'm just going to vote as always and try to ignore karma (unless it's a negative change)
Kookaburra said
When you compare your voting to someone else and see that you voted 3-8 and he voted 4 to 7 and he gained karma and you didn't, you are comparing apples to oranges.
This is such a great point it bears worth repeating. Thanks Kook!
Kookaburra said
When you compare your voting to someone else and see that you voted 3-8 and he voted 4 to 7 and he gained karma and you didn't, you are comparing apples to oranges.
In fact, you could compare your voting and see that you voted 3-8 and he voted 3-8 and he gained karma and you didn't.
Kookaburra said
Voting the whole range randomly (or allocating a certain percent to each score) IS NOT voting well.
Sorry for being argumentative...
But then why is ^^^^this exact thing being rewarded by the new system?
Qofcheez said
But then why is ^^^^this exact thing being rewarded by the new system?
Its not.
You can't see what each person gave an entry. Does it encourage people to use the scale more broadly and more thoughtfully, yes. Will you gain karma if you randomly slap 1-10 across entries? no. You will lose karma. very very fast.
Let's get our wine glasses out and have a party, then! :D
I do think people are misunderstanding the worry over karma. I'm sure most people are NOT voting "just to gain karma" and are not worried about not getting 6's because of the karma itself.
The karma is the measure by which you know if you are voting well and fairly. If you aren't gaining, you aren't voting well and you need to fix that if you want to be fair.
I wish we could give people the benefit of the doubt and assume good intentions when they worry about karma (trying to be fair) instead of bad intentions (wanting karma just to have karma/power).
Yep I'm just trying to be a better voter and gauge myself if I receive karma points. I actually don't want to be a power voter (which may happen someday) because I don't think one persons opinion should count for that much. I'd say 200 points would be a good max.
Treason said
I do think people are misunderstanding the worry over karma. I'm sure most people are NOT voting "just to gain karma" and are not worried about not getting 6's because of the karma itself.
The karma is the measure by which you know if you are voting well and fairly. If you aren't gaining, you aren't voting well and you need to fix that if you want to be fair.
I wish we could give people the benefit of the doubt and assume good intentions when they worry about karma (trying to be fair) instead of bad intentions (wanting karma just to have karma/power).
well said this is exactly what I've been trying to say.
The only time I would panic over my karma is if I was consistently losing it...period. If I was not gaining or just gaining 3, I would be more than happy as it would mean that I AM doing something right as I am NOT LOSING karma.
People worry way too much about karma, as long as you are not losing it, forget about it...seriously.
